Swiss recently added the Boeing 777 to its fleet, which features a re-designed cabin interior with top comfort and visual appeal in all three classes. The KLM food is OK -- tending toward being over-prepared with mouse-like side-dishes and casseroles, but it was perfectly fine, and in huge quantities. I am still eager to try VS and Alitalia (which I have only taken intra-Europe), and hope I'll have a chance to fly Korean before Delta severs its alliance completely. Thanks so much Tiffany! Air France has a full refund policy in place within certain dates. Strike action is occasionally a risk with French companies, and I also find they're a bit "shruggy" if something goes wrong. You will findAir France Magazine, the airlines official in-flight publication, in Business cabins and lounges andLa Premire. I'd give Delta the edge here. Is the flight just sold-out on miles, or is Delta hiding non-Delta inventory? 8/10. It all depends on availability, return flights, etc. The Air France Premium Economy products is closer to economy class than it is to businesscompetitors on the same routes offer more spacious seating and more upgraded meals. We will be booking business class tickets. I have flown DL pretty much exclusively the past decade or so, but just returned from four long flights on KLM -- LAX-AMS-CPT-AMS-JFK -- and was extremely happy with the experience. Seat. I don't want to transfer and load up CX or KrisFlyer and then not be able to get the flights. The seats themselves are essentially the . Get business class award alerts like this one sent straight to your inbox with Thrifty Traveler Premium! Then it's the same plane. I fly economy on both of them going back and forth and literally haven't even paid enough attention to be able to tell you what the difference(s) is/are. It's much better :-). The seats include excellent legroom including a big footwell. This review is of the inaugural to Toronto. Hope this helps! Our return trip was on Air France. Based on your West Coast experience, what airline would you choose for this itinerary based on ease of finding and booking award space preferably in F or business? We noticed the there are two business class options from Atlanta nonstop to Paris. I was just wondering if one had nicer planes and better customer service than the other. Delta One seats feature a family-friendly or companion-friendly center aisle. On every flight, you have the option of watching a wide variety of movies from English to French to Spanish. However, if you want to stream content, the Stream Pass costs 30 Euros or about $32. The planes will be totally reconfigured nose-to-tail, and will feature 369 seats, including: 48 business class seats 48 premium economy seats 273 economy class seats Answer 11 of 15: I have not flown to France in years and now doing my homework. This is the version of our website addressed to speakers of English in the United States. Air France wins this hands down thanks to their chef-curated meals and impeccable service. The overall feeling is of cozy efficiency rather than being necessarilystylish or polished. Your email address will not be published. This topic has been closed to new posts due to inactivity. Overall it my People discount Delta because the lack of "prestige" airline partners like Lufthansa, Cathay, Singapore, Emirates, the perceived lack of availability of premium award space, and a previously broke award calendar. Second that! Business class passengers on Delta One get priority boarding and check-in, including two free checked baggage of up to 70 pounds (32 kilos) each. On the seat are a few goodies waiting for you. Image Credit: Air France, Air France Seats B777. A tailor-made Business cabin For travel within France, there is three types of fare: Business Leisure: non-refundable ticket, modifiable for a fee of 70; Business Flex: refundable ticket, modifiable at no extra cost; It just sets the mood for the dining experience. Youll also find a footwell that serves as an extension of the bed when youre sleeping. Its topped off with dessert including Deltas famous sundae. All of the programs listed have at least decentbusiness class products, with some really solid options depending on the aircraft and configuration. Although I tried their Prem Econ onboard the 777 it's kind of better in terms that it is cheaper, you still get champagne, entertainment, and a seat that reclines well for a day flight (or night if you are like my wife who can Just a small tip of advice: do NOT fly AF B. Required fields are marked *. I've flown AF the last 2 years on their A333 which had the old seats but in a 2x2x2 config. I am (most unhappily) seated in such a section on an AF from ATL to CDG tonight. These are comfortable and go a long way toward giving you rest. Their Delta One business class is a premium cabin with excellent seats and plenty of storage. In addition, if your baggage item is beyond the weight limit for your fare, without exceeding 32 kg/70.5 Ib, there is a mandatory fee to be paid at the airport. Although they operate a slew of different business class products, Air France's 777 business class ( except the ATL-CDG 3-class 777) offers a reverse herringbone layout that's worth spending your hard-earned points on. Seven-across business class seating is just embarrassing nowadays, particularly in an angled-flat seat. You may undergo a schedule change that switches you from one to the other. Image Credit: Delta Air Lines. Youll find a pillow, a blanket, an amenity kit, a bottle of water, a coat hanger for your jacket or blazer, and a sanitary kit. You get 2 dedicated FA for the cabin, they take drinks and menu orders (no trolley service), there's a tablecloth, food comes on a platter, metal cutlery, porcelain dishes, the food . Its worth the extra cash or points if youre traveling on a longer route. If the spa is open, guests can get a 20-minute Clarins spa treatment. It's almost AF J service with Delta domestic First class seat. Oh well. Their crews areabsolutely not as polished as some,but I dont think they care. On the return, you could fly on QF from AKL-SYD-HKG and then HKG-LAX/JFK (and then pay for a flight from JFK-LAX) on CX. Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM. Hotel or AirBnB in Paris: Where Should You Stay. You make me want to have some skypesos to burn. Tiffany - enjoy your style and posts. https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles/how-to-earn-miles/airline-partners. Image Credit: Air France, Air France A350 Business Class. Fixed now! Lavatories designated for Delta One Business passengers can vary depending on the plane. Thus, privacy is unparalleled. The newer cabins are more stylish and now feature sliding doors to give guests absolute privacy. Rest of Europe I'd say KLM because of the better seats than AF (though I'd say AF once refurbishment is completed), the strong regional network (especially in Scandinavia and the UK), Schiphol being a better airport than CDG and FCO combined and tge Delft houses which are a reason to fly in itself. For the return, I had a late connection from Rome. For the return, I had a late connection from Rome. The business class in the A380 was no longer up to today's standards, unlike the business class that's installed in the Boeing 787-Dreamliner and Airbus A350, which is modern and comfortable. @ Ben -- I love first class! You can grab delicious coffee, print, or work at the last minute inside the business center, or indulge in some shut-eye inside their sleeping areas. Best Business Class Airline Seats 2022 1 Qatar Airways 2 Delta Air Lines 3 Singapore Airlines 4 ANA All Nippon Airways 5 JetBlue Airways 6 British Airways 7 Japan Airlines 8 Oman Air 9 Etihad Airways 10 Gulf Air Best Business Class Airline Lounges 2022 1 Virgin Atlantic - LHR 2 Qatar Airways - DOH 3 Turkish Airlines - IST 4 Singapore Airlines - SIN Air France business or first class prices for my destinations have typically been less expensive (connecting flight itineraries). So connections from London are limited, and not terribly convenient. 2023 Rick Steves' Europe, Inc. | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy. If youre looking to stay connected during the flight, Delta has several options for Wi-Fi. These were miles I already had sitting in my account from a cancelled trip Austin - Amsterdam roundtrip at the start of the pandemic. The second option being Delta about a 767-400ER. I prefer Delta's business class, though. I'd initially chosen Seat 1A, but was involuntarily moved to the last row in the middle-most of three seats. Else, you will get one or two checked bags free regardless of what fare you book, depending on your combination benefits. He is the chef ofLe Grand Vefour,a 3-star Parisian restaurant. Well this is an interesting matchup! Being in Chicago there there are so many choices w/ 1 daily flight on AF, KLM, Altalia, & Virgin and there is relatively zero competition from connecting traffic. Air France is the only airline to offer a Business class service in France. The Air France business class seats are back with a brand new look. If you don't happen to be flying from Paris, Air France is a partner in SkyTeam alliance, which has lounges in most major airports. Onboard Entertainment: Air France offers 500 hours of on-demand video programming, including classic and current movies, foreign films, concerts, documentaries and TV series, plus a variety of music channels and games. However, for a more robust connection, you can go with. Diarrhea isnt what she was necessarily referring to. In 2019 alone, the airline carried 46,903,000 passengers. Aircraft in the Delta and their respective age. I arrived at the boarding gate for CDG-LAX while the A380 was still there, but I was told I was too late and nothing could be done. I have a love/hate relationship with Air France. Planes depend on the flight. I also love how KLM has continued their pre-deregulation tradition of giving passengers a last drink on the house. If you thought the dishes were fun. The main difference is that Delta has staggered seats in the window rows, and the seats closest to the windows offer a little more privacy, while AF has the reverse herringbone configuration. ultra-premium trip aboard La Premiere cabin, top-tier lounges across the United States, Air France has a new premium business class lounge at their hub airport in. All of the staff are friendly and accommodating. Sleeping on the Delta One is made extra comfy thanks to premium. Thanks SO MUCH for the post! I think business class to Europe on partners is really the sweet spot for Skypesos. Overall it my favorite airline. time because they are twice as expensive on my route. Image Credit: Air France, Delta One A330-300 Business Class. On 20 November 2009, Air France introduced the A380 with service to New York citys JFK Airport from the French capitals Charles de Gaulle Airport. No, Delta First Class is different from Delta One. The food, the wine, the crew bellissimo. Maybe the EU is less litigious, but for whatever reason, it was a pleasant surprise to have common sense prevail. Air Frances newest seats are modern and chic perfectly capturing the impeccable style the airline embodies. Its fleet size is 750 as of December 2020. Image Credit: Delta Air Lines. I saw a post recently from one of those mega frequent flyers who was flying Zurich to LA, he swore that the attendants on one side of business were nice and on the other side were surly. Welcome to your private Delta One business class suite. Curved glass ceilings allow bright sunlight to filter in the daytime as well as views of the runway in the distance. Guests on Air France business class receive priority check-in, boarding, and even custom inspection lines, especially in Paris CDG. So the comment about IROPS with AF turns out to align with my experience. This topic has been automatically closed due to a period of inactivity. Of course, theres coffee. In either case you can use the Skyclub and AF lounges. You can still (usually) earn towards status when flying partners. Counted among the top-tier lounges across the United States, youll find Delta Sky Club lounges to be stylish and fresh. The new seats convert into lie-flat beds measuring 78.7 inches in length and 22.4 inches in width. If youre lucky enough to grab the new seats, please do. Two Adults and one three year old child. I can see the flights when I search by $ amount, but no amount of changes can make it appear when I click on miles - regardless of the cost in miles. Image Credit: Air France. In general I believe if you are ticketed Delta One, First Class, BC, etc you can use the lounges for all sky team members. Nice post! If you bought the tickets on Delta's website and the flights are Delta marketed, you'll earn as usual. So probably an even better product then the current New World Business Class. Despite facing such uncertainty, they continued excellent service, a real great team.). Alitalia is poised to get some hand-me-downs a makeover from Etihad, which will result in a more stylish cabin, Wi-Fi, and some updates to the catering. The new 777s have outstanding AVOD and all the charging plugs you could want, though they're over your shoulder. The lounge is free for business class passengers including SkyTeam Alliance members. Once transformed into a bed, the seat measures 76 inches in pitch which can sleep persons as tall as 6 feet and 4 inches. Air France Business Class Seats. If I make my reservation through Delta, I presume I could use the skyclub. Never thought that would happen! Air France has 90% of their fleet equipped with Wi-Fi. I don't remember Delta offering the champagne. Guests on Delta One also receive access to the Delta Sky Club when flying out of cities like Los Angeles, Detroit, Atlanta, Seattle, or New Yorks JFK. This has been managed by both Air France and KLM. Going to Asia, Korean Air and Delta's own metal (flights to Tokyo and Hong Kong via Seattle) present good options. As a side-sleeper, I find the seats perfectly comfortable for sleeping, but they might feel narrow if you prefer to sleep on your back. Book ahead because this runs out fast. So lets go through the four main transatlantic options when redeeming Delta miles. Food is served over white tablecloths in real ceramic dishes and silverware. Being AF I expect good food but I will be skipping that trying to sleep. Aboard the 777-200, you get a single but bigger lavatory for business class. Privacy Policy: We hate spam and promise to keep your email address safe. Part of the fun of flying is looking out the window, and that's a strain, particularly on the latter. Fortunately, Business Class Experts is able to find you affordable airfare as low as $2,700/ticket so you can travel in comfort without breaking the bank. It is headquartered in Tremblay-en-France and is a subsidiary of the Air-France-KLM Group. So, does everyone discount DL because there's no availability? If youre going to Paris I might still choose Virgin Atlantic and a connection over old Air France business class, but for smaller European cities youll be looking at multiple flights. If you get peckish in between the flight, there are light snacks and beverages available. Almost all, however, are arranged in a 1-2-1 configuration while rare sub fleets still carry a 2-3-2 arrangement. I arrived at the boarding gate for CDG-LAX while the A380 was still there, but I was told I was too late and nothing could be done. Both have seats that lay down flat and each passenger has their own pod. The seat is upholstered in beautiful leather with spacious storage, amenity kits, and a large IFE. Next comes Delta at 2.76/3. However, for surfing and streaming, the plan starts at $6.96 to $12.95, respectively. Sorry, I know this is not Tiffany answering (and I'm sure her reply with be x10000 better than mine), but I want to share what I would picked in the past. -Air France's service is not just stylish, but actively warm/personable I want to go back to South Africa again, and would happily use KLM, but options seemed to be better for VS, ergo my seeking out this site. To which I said sure as long as you refund me my business class fare) And then flying back via Delta which I have to say was superb, from the meals, to the seat, to the flight attendants. These airlines feature redesigned business products to deliver comfortable and stylish new seats and superb amenities while ensuring a lavish journey for their passengers. We noticed the there are two business class options from Atlanta nonstop to Paris. Some newer Delta aircraft also has doors. Throughout the space, freestanding buffets with drink and food options are in strategic spots. Although the Delta One suites are a strong contender, this one goes to Air France. If you fly from Miami, only AirFrance operates that code share flight. Image Credit: Delta. Jack - Many thanks for your thoughts. You can connect to the free Wi-Fi aboard the business cabin provided you only need to use Facebook Messenger or any messaging app. Air France A350-900 routes. Aboard the Delta One cabin, guests can pre-order meals from 30 days up to 24 hours before their flight. It would be delta one vs AF airbus 350 business class. Air France, it is the flag carrier of France and one of the most popular airlines in Europe. Videos will show you, that the AF seats angle away from the aisle, the partition encircling the pod doesn't close entirely, leaving room to enter and exit. I should note that those flights were not in business class, which of course is likely more comfortable than "steerage" LOL Of course, now, who knows. A code share flight can be operated by either, so buying from one company rather than the other does not guarantee you fly with them. Their crappy old planes, the seat layout where you cannot look out the windows so you spend your time staring at another person because you are angled facing that person, the truly awful meals for a business class product. Air France Business Class Dining. Some have 2 while others may have 3. Air Frances service is fantastic. The second meal, or breakfast, is served an hour or so before landing. Fingers crossed that no one is in the 'F' seat next to me. As soon as you settle onboard, you get pre-flight drinks before takeoff and youll be handed a menu as well. However, Alitalia flies to dozens ofdestinationsfrom Rome,including many of the smaller cities in Southern Europe, and award space is typically quite good. The Delta One Suites are the best Delta offers because you can close a little door. I booked a roundtrip flight on KLM for the outbound (Dusseldorf - Amsterdam - Los Angeles), and Air France on the inbound (Los Angeles . If it's only Delta One, not the suites, you aren't in a completely enclosed space. . SINGAPORE AIRLINES . The meal service starts shortly after takeoff. One thing to note, if you happen to be riding business class on the Boeing 767-400, the center seats will come with open dividers ideal if youre traveling with family or your partner. Before Covid-19, Air France still had 4 different business class versions, but now, as the A380 & A340 have left the fleet, only 3 remain. The airlines cancellation policy entails that the tickets fare conditions determine flight cancellation. Guests can also request coffee or pastries if they opt to skip breakfast. If you get hungry in between, theres a small self-service area where you can grab beverages and light snacks if you fancy. There are storage areas for your shoes, small gadgets, and other small items. But in my opinion, another possible way you can go to AKL is to fly EY from LAX-AUH and then AUH-LHR again on EY (or BA if you want to try different first class) and finally LHR-SYD-AKL on QF. Delta also offers about 1000 hours of free entertainment, including TV series and movies, via the Delta Studio system. Only got snacks on Delta. I booked (3) seats Paris - Houston for 66,500 Air France KLM Flying Blue miles + $383.17 apiece. Air France and Delta Air Lines are two of the biggest carriers in the aviation world. Formerly calledHop!,Air France Hop operates most of its regional domestic and continental scheduled services with a fleet of regional jet aircraft. I asked about an upgrade to First for my trouble and delay, but AF said it was not possible, even though that cabin turned out to be empty. Also if you fly via JFK, there are 6 AF/DL flights to Paris, 4 operated by AF and 2 operated by Delta. I will note though that you left off Delta themselves, which can still be available at the Tier 1 number of miles on many TATL routes if you book well in advance. I won't go too in-depth with this part of the comparison but I can't neglect it either. Whether to relax or get some work done, the new Business seat boasts new features to enhance your travel experience: 17.3-inch 4K screen, noise . Stop applying for credit cards with high-interest rates and bad deals for points. Delta Air Lines Delta One Business Class. Delta's new product is better IMHO. Do You Need A Travel Power Adapter For France? Its followed by a cheese plate. I was seated next to a friend of the pilot, who was brought meals and drinks from (the empty) First Class cabin. Air France has La Premire, Business, Premium Economy, and Economy.
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